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Pod 609: Trade Deadline

Section 336

July 29, 2025 · 1 hr 3 min

Matt is back int he country and the boys are back after their longest hiatus since starting Section 336. We have plenty to talk about this week. Big picture is this just a bad year or is this team serious flawed? Mike…

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[SPEAKER_00]: Three, six, we all need some tuning.

[SPEAKER_03]: Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it's Baltimore Sports fans of all ages.

[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to section three, three, six next generation of Baltimore Sports stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: I am your in dearly considering host Matt Sroke and as always, I'm joined by the button lever.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hey Josh.

[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to the states.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the, uh, clearly the longest we've taken off between episodes of three, thirty six.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know if we should and thank you dear listener for putting up with our absence.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if we should provide explanation or just, you know, it's none of their business on our absence and why we're going so long.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, we, I think we talked about it beforehand that you would be doing some travel on.

[SPEAKER_01]: I did an episode, a short episode while you were gone with Zach, a big town sports.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that was more because, hey, the Orioles were playing decent.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was the end of June.

[SPEAKER_01]: All start break.

[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to talk about some things.

[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of, can we turn this around?

[SPEAKER_01]: And now here we are, like, ten days after that two weeks after that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we kind of know the position of the Orioles this year.

[SPEAKER_03]: What yeah and I I mean we haven't talked in a while and a lot has happened since we last talk so I've been this I've been itching to get on here I mean I was even texting you this morning I never texted before the show and I was I logged on here like ten minutes early because I was itching to talk about and I'm itching to kind of

[SPEAKER_03]: Talk through some of my thoughts on the world right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: I almost even went to Twitter to share some thoughts on them.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I can't do it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how people communicate these complex thoughts about their team and them on Twitter.

[SPEAKER_03]: I want to try it and I'm like, I can't do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've been trying to talk for some of that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to take talk for a long time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: For a little, again, and it's not even out as a longer form.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, hey, let me take a minute and just say, hey, yeah, we're trading people settled down.

[SPEAKER_03]: But that needs to do speaking then.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is because it is complicated.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because as I texted you this morning and I think the number one response I got.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is what the Oriental still.

[SPEAKER_01]: They get you excited.

[SPEAKER_01]: They probably play really good and then they just completely fall apart.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yesterday I made this video about how, hey, guys, we've got to accept, we're trading these guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know we played really good against the Rockies, but the Blue Jays are coming to the town.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Blue Jays are one of the hottest teams in baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to destroy it this week, the season ends.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then the Orioles come out Monday night and have an outstanding game and play the way that we expected them to play all year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kobe Mayo even played and got home run.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they irritate you because those are the glimpses that you see where you say, well, this team is clearly better than what the record shows.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, absolutely, they are.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they're still fun to watch.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've been impressed with, first of all, can we just get a shout out

[SPEAKER_03]: to all the oil fans still come into games, show them up games.

[SPEAKER_03]: Every time they show you the bird bat, people are super enthusiastic, they're pumped up.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just think we have the best friends in baseball.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's what I say.

[SPEAKER_03]: And Josh, after that yesterday's win, I'm sure you did what I did.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you go to fan graphs, play off odds.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, there's still a chance.

[SPEAKER_03]: One percent.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're not zero.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're not something to zero.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're not zero.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're still one percent chance to make the play out.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know where my reality check comes in with the Orioles.

[SPEAKER_00]: Three, six, we all need some tuning. [SPEAKER_03]: Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it's Baltimore Sports fans of all ages. [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to section three, three, six next generation of Baltimore Sports stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: I am your in dearly considering host Matt Sroke and as always, I'm joined by the button lever. [SPEAKER_03]: Hey Josh. [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to the states. [SPEAKER_01]: It's the, uh, clearly the longest we've taken off between episodes of three, thirty six. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know if we should and thank you dear listener for putting up with our absence. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if we should provide explanation or just, you know, it's none of their business on our absence and why we're going so long. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, we, I think we talked about it beforehand that you would be doing some travel on. [SPEAKER_01]: I did an episode, a short episode while you were gone with Zach, a big town sports. [SPEAKER_01]: And that was more because, hey, the Orioles were playing decent. [SPEAKER_01]: It was the end of June. [SPEAKER_01]: All start break. [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to talk about some things. [SPEAKER_01]: You kind of, can we turn this around? [SPEAKER_01]: And now here we are, like, ten days after that two weeks after that. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we kind of know the position of the Orioles this year. [SPEAKER_03]: What yeah and I I mean we haven't talked in a while and a lot has happened since we last talk so I've been this I've been itching to get on here I mean I was even texting you this morning I never texted before the show and I was I logged on here like ten minutes early because I was itching to talk about and I'm itching to kind of [SPEAKER_03]: Talk through some of my thoughts on the world right now. [SPEAKER_03]: I almost even went to Twitter to share some thoughts on them. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I can't do it. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how people communicate these complex thoughts about their team and them on Twitter. [SPEAKER_03]: I want to try it and I'm like, I can't do it. [SPEAKER_01]: I've been trying to talk for some of that. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to take talk for a long time. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: For a little, again, and it's not even out as a longer form. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a, hey, let me take a minute and just say, hey, yeah, we're trading people settled down. [SPEAKER_03]: But that needs to do speaking then. [SPEAKER_01]: It is. [SPEAKER_01]: It is because it is complicated. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Because as I texted you this morning and I think the number one response I got. [SPEAKER_01]: So this is what the Oriental still. [SPEAKER_01]: They get you excited. [SPEAKER_01]: They probably play really good and then they just completely fall apart. [SPEAKER_01]: So yesterday I made this video about how, hey, guys, we've got to accept, we're trading these guys. [SPEAKER_01]: I know we played really good against the Rockies, but the Blue Jays are coming to the town. [SPEAKER_01]: The Blue Jays are one of the hottest teams in baseball. [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to destroy it this week, the season ends. [SPEAKER_01]: And then the Orioles come out Monday night and have an outstanding game and play the way that we expected them to play all year. [SPEAKER_01]: Kobe Mayo even played and got home run. [SPEAKER_01]: So they irritate you because those are the glimpses that you see where you say, well, this team is clearly better than what the record shows. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, absolutely, they are. [SPEAKER_03]: And they're still fun to watch. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've been impressed with, first of all, can we just get a shout out [SPEAKER_03]: to all the oil fans still come into games, show them up games. [SPEAKER_03]: Every time they show you the bird bat, people are super enthusiastic, they're pumped up. [SPEAKER_03]: I just think we have the best friends in baseball. [SPEAKER_03]: And so that's what I say. [SPEAKER_03]: And Josh, after that yesterday's win, I'm sure you did what I did. [SPEAKER_03]: And you go to fan graphs, play off odds. [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, there's still a chance. [SPEAKER_03]: One percent. [SPEAKER_03]: They're not zero. [SPEAKER_03]: We're not something to zero. [SPEAKER_03]: We're not zero. [SPEAKER_03]: We're still one percent chance to make the play out. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know where my reality check comes in with the Orioles. [SPEAKER_01]: It's always the same place. [SPEAKER_01]: I go over to the stand-ins and I'm like, I don't care about the division. [SPEAKER_01]: I go to the wild card because I'm like, you know what? [SPEAKER_01]: We were eight and a half behind. [SPEAKER_01]: We had a big win. [SPEAKER_01]: And then I go and I look and we're always the same. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like we're always eight to eight and a half behind. [SPEAKER_01]: And then the really, if I really want to get myself into, yeah, the seasons over, [SPEAKER_01]: I look at the fact that the number eight seems reasonable. [SPEAKER_01]: But when you look and see that you when they came in a row, they lose their games in a row, retired. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: But it seems reasonable. [SPEAKER_01]: You can come back eight games. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: And you look and you see that it's not just that you're down eight games. [SPEAKER_01]: It's that you would have to pass every team in the American League outside of the athletics and the white socks to get up there. [SPEAKER_03]: Right, that's the thing that's the part just like you when eight and they lose eight you and eight and eight are the teams. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, like there is just every team would have to play poorly and we'd have to play great. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, once you had of us, okay, but yeah, it's all the other teams who are all and not all of them, but a bunch of them. [SPEAKER_03]: by the way, we'll be adding a big piece here the next week. [SPEAKER_03]: They will be pieces and we won't. [SPEAKER_01]: And the reason they will be adding those pieces is because those teams like the twins, the royals, the angels, the guardians, the Rangers. [SPEAKER_01]: All of those teams are in the hunt for the wild card. [SPEAKER_01]: And also still have a reasonable chance that they're standing at the regular at the division. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we have zero vision and a one in a million shot at the one card. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, trading because because you'd have to ask for everyone to fail. [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone fall apart. [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone lose while we gain those eight games. [SPEAKER_01]: But half the team's win every day. [SPEAKER_01]: So how do you surpass half the team's win? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just do some math here. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really can't lose. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: Can I actually come in and play like eight straight games against everyone in the American League and everyone loses. [SPEAKER_01]: We win. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only chance and that's not how the schedule works. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: So the seasons, this season's over as far as play off the play off. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And it seemed to start to end and this is where I want to go to the conversation. [SPEAKER_03]: The seasons seem to start to end at like when I left for Tanzania, there was a little bit of hope. [SPEAKER_03]: And even while I was in Tanzania, they were running some series. [SPEAKER_03]: And then right before the All Star Break was in Miami, they lost to. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and that kind of throwing the towel down. [SPEAKER_03]: And then after the All Star Break, we struggled to come, coming out of the gates. [SPEAKER_03]: And I know we played while the last couple series, but the game, I think the season really lost right before the All Star Break. [SPEAKER_03]: So I agree. [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that when you could argue, we lost way before them, but the nails is a coffin at the All Star Break. [SPEAKER_01]: When you did not sweep the marlins, and when you lost two out of three of the marlins, that was the nail. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And when you lost cast hours, it, you know, two of them runs in a game against you. [SPEAKER_03]: You mean three or three or three? [SPEAKER_03]: I was like three, I was about to say three, I was like, I can't be a pass, but you're really a three. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was three. [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, at least it was and was that Kurt's guy had four, this was a four. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So my question is though, Josh, as we look at this season, which has been a disaster of a season. [SPEAKER_03]: It has been. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's no way around it. [SPEAKER_03]: And we can look at things like injuries and we can look at other things like, you know, [SPEAKER_03]: Um, not, Michael is not getting the right guys, but even with all that said, coming in the season, uh, we, we were optimistic, even with the science or lack of work. [SPEAKER_03]: And so my question is, [SPEAKER_03]: What is the significance of this season? [SPEAKER_03]: Is this, oh my, we're not as good as we thought we were the past couple years. [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe our young core is not as good as they thought they were. [SPEAKER_03]: Is this that kind of moment that we need to rethink this whole thing? [SPEAKER_03]: Or is this something where it's a bad season? [SPEAKER_03]: Couple guys to down years, injury to happen. [SPEAKER_03]: And if we roll with this same squad next year, [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, we need to do make some moves, but a sense of the same squad next year that we can again be in the playoff team. [SPEAKER_03]: How are we feeling kind of big picture about this team next year? [SPEAKER_03]: And our young core, is this, are we okay here in Josh? [SPEAKER_03]: Do we need to blow some stuff up? [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's just about season. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just about season. [SPEAKER_03]: Sass is on record. [SPEAKER_03]: He thinks it's just about season. [SPEAKER_01]: It is, it's about season. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of bad luck. [SPEAKER_01]: It's bad bullpen. [SPEAKER_01]: It's bad pitching. [SPEAKER_03]: When you look at this team, when you look yesterday, look at games that go well. [SPEAKER_01]: And you take the core, and you take Gunnar Henderson, Adley Watchman, Colton Couser, Jackson Holiday, Jordan Westburg. [SPEAKER_01]: Is that core of five people? [SPEAKER_01]: Can you replace them? [SPEAKER_01]: Is there someone that you would replace them with to improve any of those positions? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, here's another way to look at it and that's interesting Josh because that's I was thinking about about it from the same perspective on like how many key players would you need to replace before like you need to kind of blow the thing up like what's that number of key players need to replace and if you but I think we're nowhere near that number. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's walk through it for a minute. [SPEAKER_03]: All right, if you walk through our infield. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and you think about Westburg and Gunner and Holiday. [SPEAKER_03]: That shortstop second base, third base, they're all extremely young. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: And now I'm biased, right? [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know every other team's roster makeup. [SPEAKER_03]: But I can't imagine going forward a stronger infield. [SPEAKER_01]: No, what you're going to do, what you're going to do with that infield is you're going to get rid of some of the depth. [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get rid of your bias. [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get rid of Mateo. [SPEAKER_01]: Those are the guys who are going

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